APPAREL INTERVIEW:

Marco Poggiali
Florence, Milano, Pietrasanta [Italy]

 

There's a floor above Galleria Poggiali in Milan that not everyone gets to see. Marco is waiting at the entrance, opens the door himself, and in that simple gesture there's already something essential about who he is. No distance, no unnecessary ceremony. You go up together, and as you climb the stairs you get the feeling you're entering something more intimate than a gallery, a world built slowly, over time. The space is full of work: some pieces leaning against the floor, others on the walls, others wrapped and waiting to leave or finally find their place. Books, papers, catalogues piled on the desk with that particular, unselfconscious disorder that belongs only to rooms that are truly lived in. It's not chaos. It's evidence of work, of obsessions, of conversations, of years. The light is low and diffuse, more shadow than illumination. And yet everything feels sharp. Outside there's Foro Buonaparte, the traffic, Milan doing what Milan does. In here, time slows down, as if this suspended floor runs on a different clock entirely. Marco sits in the middle of the room, on a plain chair, surrounded by this fragile and beautiful equilibrium of works, paper and memory. We settle into the two armchairs facing him, and before anyone says anything, all of us take a moment to look around. As if we need to register the privilege of being here. Because this is not an office, and not quite a gallery either. It's the visible archive of a family and professional history that reaches back a long way, to Florence, to the countryside, to picture-framers' workshops, and arrives here, at one of the most significant addresses in Italian contemporary art. We talk without rushing, in a way that feels almost out of place for a Monday afternoon.

 
 
 



APPAREL INTERVIEW:

Marco Poggiali
Milano, Pietrasanta [Italy]

 

There's a floor above Galleria Poggiali in Milan that not everyone gets to see. Marco is waiting at the entrance, opens the door himself, and in that simple gesture there's already something essential about who he is. No distance, no unnecessary ceremony. You go up together, and as you climb the stairs you get the feeling you're entering something more intimate than a gallery, a world built slowly, over time. The space is full of work: some pieces leaning against the floor, others on the walls, others wrapped and waiting to leave or finally find their place. Books, papers, catalogues piled on the desk with that particular, unselfconscious disorder that belongs only to rooms that are truly lived in. It's not chaos. It's evidence of work, of obsessions, of conversations, of years. The light is low and diffuse, more shadow than illumination. And yet everything feels sharp. Outside there's Foro Buonaparte, the traffic, Milan doing what Milan does. In here, time slows down, as if this suspended floor runs on a different clock entirely. Marco sits in the middle of the room, on a plain chair, surrounded by this fragile and beautiful equilibrium of works, paper and memory. We settle into the two armchairs facing him, and before anyone says anything, all of us take a moment to look around. As if we need to register the privilege of being here. Because this is not an office, and not quite a gallery either. It's the visible archive of a family and professional history that reaches back a long way, to Florence, to the countryside, to picture-framers' workshops, and arrives here, at one of the most significant addresses in Italian contemporary art. We talk without rushing, in a way that feels almost out of place for a Monday afternoon.

 
 
MARCO POGGIALI by TU BANNER

 
 

 

Marco Poggiali Q&A

 

-Marco, let’s start with the simplest question, and maybe for that reason the hardest one: how are you, really? Both as a person and as someone who watches the art world closely, a world that in recent years has gone through sudden stops, unexpected accelerations, and some pretty profound shifts. How are you feeling about this moment?

- That’s one of the hardest questions to answer honestly. But I'll try, because I think the relationship we have with our own life depends a lot on the angle we choose to look at it from. You have to make an effort to see the glass half full, not out of naivety, but out of survival. If you start focusing only on what's wrong, you end up in a spiral that pulls you under. It's the positive things that give you momentum, the leverage to keep growing, to want something more. So yes, I'm good. And I mean it, because beyond the daily frustrations, which are very much there, I think we should remind ourselves more often that we're privileged. Not in the superficial sense of success or money. Everything is relative. But the simple fact of being here, today, on a Monday afternoon, talking about things we care about, should already be enough to say: I'm doing well. It's almost a principle worth keeping on the wall. Because when you lose that perspective, everything gets heavier. And one thing worth saying: appreciating what you have doesn't mean settling. Actually, settling is dangerous, because it flattens your gaze and drains your creative tension. You can acknowledge that you've done good work, but the next project should already be underway. Not out of anxiety or restlessness, but because there's a deeper need driving you. Otherwise we would have chosen a different life. People who want stability do something else. This work requires a constant openness to creativity, and often the hardest part isn't even the artist's. Sometimes the most radical inventiveness happens behind the scenes. The gallerist's job is to intercept an intuition, recognise it, protect it, and then elevate it. You need enormous sensitivity, but also a certain madness, a total openness of mind. And paradoxically, in some cases, it demands even more mental freedom than the artist themselves has. It's a job almost nobody really sees. The only ones who truly understand it are the intelligent collectors, the ones who walk into a gallery and don't just look at the work, but sense the project, the effort, the vision holding everything together. And when they recognise it, they don't just say so. They back it up, by buying the work and allowing you to continue. Because at its core this isn't simple buying and selling. Being a dealer would be much easier: buy at one, sell at one and a half. The gallerist's work is something else entirely. It's building meaning, creating context, accompanying ideas through time.

 

-Your path begins inside an important story, one that takes shape as a gallery in 1984 but goes back much further than that. Growing up in a family where art is simply part of life means absorbing it almost by osmosis, as part of the daily landscape. Tell us the story of Galleria Poggiali, and when you understood that this world would become yours too.

- My father comes from a farming family. My grandparents weren't landowners, they were sharecroppers in the Tuscan countryside, near Fiesole, on one of those beautiful estates where life was genuinely hard. My grandfather worked the fields, my grandmother looked after the landowner's children, and in exchange the family had an apartment. Twenty people under the same roof. And yet my father always described those years with a phrase that stayed with me: "There was nothing, but there was love." I think my optimism comes from there. These feel like distant stories, but almost every Italian family has one tucked away somewhere. My father is not an intellectual. At thirteen he went to work in the centre of Florence, where a friend suggested he join him at a framing shop that doubled as a small gallery. The real turning point came at sixteen, when the owner began sending him to collect work from artists' studios around the city, thirty pieces picked up, two kept as gifts. Those were completely different times. The economic boom, houses to furnish, people buying local painting with real enthusiasm. The contemporary art market as we know it today simply didn't exist yet. At twenty-five, in 1973, he opened his own framing shop with a colleague. Ten years later, in 1984, the gallery was born alongside the workshop. In the beginning they worked mostly with Italian modern art, Migneco, Cassinari, artists they could actually afford. Serious, grounded work, but still tied to a fairly traditional world. The real shift came between the late nineties and the early two thousands, when my father started spending time in Milan and met Giovanni Frangi, stepping into a completely different scene. Through those relationships came names like Pignatelli and Fantini. The work around the contemporary began to take real shape, with shows organised both in the gallery and in museum spaces, contributing to those artists' growth and market visibility. But the true leap in scale happened when he met Aldo Busi. The writer was drawn to him intellectually, sensing something familiar, another self-taught man who had come from nothing. They met at an art fair in Montichiari. My father had no idea who he was. Someone on the staff had to tell him: "That's Aldo Busi." But he spoke to him exactly as he would have spoken to anyone else. That has always been his strength, treating the person who arrives on a private jet the same way he treats the person who comes to clean the stand. From there, everything changed. To use a music analogy, it was like a small local label suddenly finding itself at the centre of the national scene. Busi introduced him to Enzo Cucchi, who at the time was working exclusively with Bruno Bischofberger, the gallerist behind Basquiat and Warhol. My father and my brother travelled to Switzerland, to a castle deep in the snow, where Bischofberger named an enormous figure to organise a show. My father, who doesn't speak English, looked at him and said slowly: "Bruno, I am a very pragmatic person. I don't have that kind of money. But I brought you oil from my olive trees.” Two bottles of Tuscan olive oil, handed to one of the most powerful men in the global art market. Bischofberger was thrown. He called his wife, had bread brought out, tasted the oil, and visibly delighted, got Cucchi on the phone. The show happened, on considerably more favourable terms. I came into the gallery right around those years. My first fair was Arte Fiera Bologna, in 1998. The energy was extraordinary. Pignatelli was everywhere, the market was growing, everything seemed to be happening at once. But I should be honest: at first I was running away from all this. As a kid I experienced it almost as something that took my father away from me, he was never around. I spent most of my time with my mother, who held everything together with extraordinary patience. I played football, school didn't interest me much. But the moment I was free I'd head to the workshop near Santa Maria Novella, among the framers. And there I met a cast of characters that felt almost Fellinian. I didn't grow up among intellectuals and dinner parties. I grew up on the street, among craftsmen, unlikely characters, ex-boxers, neighbourhood people. And I'm glad, because that DNA stays with you. You can become as polished as you like, but certain things don't leave. For years I watched this world from a distance. Then, at my first fair, I understood that maybe I could actually belong inside it. I felt at ease with people, with the public, with that particular energy. And I realised this might be my place. The most beautiful thing is that my father never pushed us. Not me, not my brother. He always said: "If you want to come, I'd love that. But it has to be your choice." And that freedom, probably, was the greatest gift he gave us.

 

 

 

 

-Thank you so much for sharing with us this amazing story. Listen. The role of the gallerist has changed enormously over the years. Today it seems to involve a constant balancing act between curatorship, instinct, cultural enterprise and the management of human relationships. What qualities do you think a good gallerist needs today? And do you feel a concrete sense of responsibility toward the artists you work with?

- The responsibility is something I feel deeply, in every sense. And it connects directly to what we were saying before: when you do this work because you genuinely love it, because you're profoundly invested in the outcome you're trying to reach, everything shifts. A gallerist today needs vision, courage, patience, seriousness. But above all they need to be psychologically prepared to deal with any kind of personality: the artist's, the collector's, the system's own particular demands. That's the hardest part. The very top international galleries, and there are very few of them, can afford to delegate certain dynamics. Their name is strong enough that the mechanism feeds itself. But in most cases it's you who has to build, over years, a community of people who believe in your eye. And that is an enormous responsibility. Because when I sell a work to someone, I'm not just thinking about the sale. It's not essential that the work becomes a spectacular investment. But I need to be able to demonstrate, over time, that the trust that person placed in me made sense. That the artist grows, evolves, shows, builds a real presence. That, for me, is what the gallerist's work actually is. And it's also what real collecting actually is. There are of course people who buy purely to speculate, but that's a different world entirely.

 

 

 

 

-During the pandemic you said, with a lot of clarity, that it would be difficult to predict how the art world might change. You were cautious, almost in a wait-and-see mode. Looking back now, with a few years of distance, what do you think actually changed?

- Honestly? Not that much. The art system, in its deeper dynamics, has stayed pretty much the same. The key players are more or less who they were before. The most visible change, if anything, concerns Milan. Over the last few years the city has grown significantly as an international destination. Foreign galleries have arrived, there's a different kind of openness in the air, a genuine ambition to become an increasingly important European centre. Not at the level of Paris, but something is moving. Beyond that, during the pandemic it felt like the digital was about to change everything. There was constant talk of viewing rooms, NFTs, virtual experiences. And then almost the opposite happened. The market became even more physical, more concrete. People rediscovered the need for presence, for real space, for seeing work in person. In the end, the digital never really broke through.

 

-The art world today seems to live in a constant tension between contemplation and speed: on one side the slow time of the work itself, on the other the pace of art fairs, the global market, digital platforms. How do you protect that slower dimension of art today?

- On this I remain pretty vintage, if I'm honest. I need contemplation. A relationship with the work that is almost physical, visceral. I need to live with it, digest it, get inside it. For me it's something deeply intense. The contemporary pace, the digital pace, I don't think it really belongs to the essence of art. A work needs time. And maybe silence too.

 
 

-Over the years we've often worked within exhibition spaces, bringing musical interventions and soundscapes into shows. When music and visual art manage to truly speak to each other, something very powerful happens. How do you experience that encounter between sound and exhibition space?

- Sound can be an enormously important element, especially in installations and performance work. But it needs to be handled with intelligence, otherwise it risks becoming overwhelming. When it really works, the music doesn't invade the space, it amplifies it. It becomes a co-protagonist, perfectly integrated into a more complex equilibrium.

 

-After so many years spent among artists, works and exhibitions, is there still something that genuinely surprises you?

- Fortunately, yes. And it happens above all with the artists I'm still working with today.

 

-We're always curious about the small daily rituals of the people we talk to. How do your days begin?

- I wake up, and I sit with myself for a while. I've done it since I was a child, sitting on the bed, staring at nothing in particular. Then stretching for my back, lactose-free yogurt with dried fruit, coffee. And then the calls start.

 

-Quick ones now, our usual questions. If you were a city?

- New York.

 

-If you were a geometric shape?

- A hexagon.

 

 

 

 

-If you were an object?

- A paintbrush.

 
 
 

-If you were a piece of music?

- Something by Soundgarden or Audioslave. I love Chris Cornell. Let's say Black Hole Sun.

 

 

-Florence, Pietrasanta or Milan?

- After all these years, Pietrasanta. Or rather, the surrounding area. Florence has become unrecognisable, Milan sometimes feels like Dubai. There I still find something authentic.

 

-If your gallery were a colour?

- Blue, without a doubt.

 

-The work you'd take to a desert island?

- A hourglass by Claudio Parmiggiani. So that time flows, and at the same time never really passes.

 

-Give us your podium of the most important shows Galleria Poggiali has done in recent years.

- I'm counting from 2016 onwards, from when it officially becomes Galleria Poggiali. Third place, Kennedy Yanko. Second place, joint, Karel Appel and Erwin Wurm. First place, no question, Parmiggiani and Rainer.

 

-An artist you'd have liked to share a glass of wine with and talk through the night?

- If I can step outside visual art for a moment, because for me he was a complete artist in every sense, I'd say Gigi Meroni. Someone who used to walk around with a hen on a lead. An extraordinary character.

 

-Are you a Fiorentina supporter?

- Yes. Unfortunately yes.

 

-So we have to ask your favourite Fiorentina player.

- Roberto Baggio doesn't count, he belongs to everyone. Gabriel Batistuta was an absolute phenomenon, but if I have to choose for elegance and sensitivity, I'd say Rui Costa. He had something special.

 

-Last question: is there something nobody has ever asked you that you'd actually like to talk about?

- Maybe nobody has ever asked me how much suffering there is inside this work. From the outside it looks like a beautiful world, glamorous, all openings and exhibitions. But nobody sees the sleepless nights, the five in the morning phone calls when you're installing a show on the other side of the world, the constant tension. And I don't mean suffering in a negative sense. More like sacrifice. Absolute dedication. This work, if you do it properly, takes everything you have.

 
 

-Quick ones now, our usual questions. If you were a city?

- New York.

 

-If you were a geometric shape?

- A hexagon.

 

 

 

 

-If you were an object?

- A paintbrush.

 
 

-If you were a piece of music?

- Something by Soundgarden or Audioslave. I love Chris Cornell. Let's say Black Hole Sun.

 

 

-Florence, Pietrasanta or Milan?

- After all these years, Pietrasanta. Or rather, the surrounding area. Florence has become unrecognisable, Milan sometimes feels like Dubai. There I still find something authentic.

 

-If your gallery were a colour?

- Blue, without a doubt.

 

-The work you'd take to a desert island?

- A hourglass by Claudio Parmiggiani. So that time flows, and at the same time never really passes.

 

-Give us your podium of the most important shows Galleria Poggiali has done in recent years.

- I'm counting from 2016 onwards, from when it officially becomes Galleria Poggiali. Third place, Kennedy Yanko. Second place, joint, Karel Appel and Erwin Wurm. First place, no question, Parmiggiani and Rainer.

 

-An artist you'd have liked to share a glass of wine with and talk through the night?

- If I can step outside visual art for a moment, because for me he was a complete artist in every sense, I'd say Gigi Meroni. Someone who used to walk around with a hen on a lead. An extraordinary character.

 

-Are you a Fiorentina supporter?

- Yes. Unfortunately yes.

 

-So we have to ask your favourite Fiorentina player.

- Roberto Baggio doesn't count, he belongs to everyone. Gabriel Batistuta was an absolute phenomenon, but if I have to choose for elegance and sensitivity, I'd say Rui Costa. He had something special.

 

-Last question: is there something nobody has ever asked you that you'd actually like to talk about?

- Maybe nobody has ever asked me how much suffering there is inside this work. From the outside it looks like a beautiful world, glamorous, all openings and exhibitions. But nobody sees the sleepless nights, the five in the morning phone calls when you're installing a show on the other side of the world, the constant tension. And I don't mean suffering in a negative sense. More like sacrifice. Absolute dedication. This work, if you do it properly, takes everything you have.

Giuseppe D'Alessandro

Ceo / Editor / Author


TU

Illustrator